In The Beginning

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Genesis 1:1

How important is it that Christians believe in creation?  I believe that, although it is not necessary for salvation, that it profoundly impacts the way that we perceive scripture, and can eventually destroy our faith in Jesus as the Christ.  

If we believe that the creation story is a myth, rather than a historical event, then we are more prone to discard other Biblical stories that contain supernatural occurences.  For example: the flood in Noah’s  day, was only local, it was only perceived as world-wide; the burning bush was some bright reflection within the bush; the plagues of Egypt were exaggerated and coincidental; and so forth.  Soon the virgin birth, miracles of Jesus, and the resurrection are removed, or interpreted as myth, or legend as well.  You end up with Jesus the carpenter, who was an extraordinary man, prophet and teacher: not the only begotten Son of God.  The Bible becomes the word of men, rather than the Word of God. We simply accept the parts with which we agree, and discard those portions that we do not want to believe.

Beginnings are very important.  Our direction in the beginning  can determine our final destination.

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10 Responses to “In The Beginning”

  1. morsec0de Says:

    “the burning bush was some bright reflection within the bush;”

    I think the current theory is that the story originates from the burning of certain plants that would create psychotropic effects…like cannabis, for example.

    • Pastor Curt Says:

      morsecode, It is good to hear from you again. I hadn’t heard the theory that you refer to in your comment, but it doesn’t surprise me. If you start with the premise that the either God doesn’t exist, or that He doesn’t interact with affairs of the world, then you either discount the miraculous as fables, or offer materialistic explanations. If you believe that God does exist, and that He does interact with the material realm, then miracles are not a problem.

  2. morsec0de Says:

    I tend to start from nothing, and use the evidence and Occam’s razor.

    Given no presumptions, and given what we know for certain about reality, which is the more likely? (Not necessarily asking you that question, just saying that’s the question I like to ask myself.)

    • Pastor Curt Says:

      Starting from nothing, you probably recognize that you have thoughts, feelings, and sensations.

      You used the phrase “given what we know for certain”. I would propose that all that we know for certain is that our thoughts, feelings and sensations occur. We do not know “for certain” that they accurately represent reality. Unless our thougts, feelings, and sensations, are all that truly exist.

      Most people presume the reality of the material world.
      Most people presume that the future will repeat the past. (As in gravity will continue to pull physical objects towards the earth, not meant as an endorsement of a cyclical view of history.)
      Most people presume that their senses can accurately capture the reality of the material realm.
      Most people presume that human rational thought is capable of comprehending reality.

      These presumptions are commonly accepted, but I do not believe that they qualify as “known for certain”.

      They are presumptions.

      Many people believe in the reality of the nonmaterial, including God.

      It is a presumption. (Also called faith.)

      For myself, the pieces of the puzzle of this life fit together quite nicely, not perfectly just yet, but nicely just the same, using this presumption.

      You have to be careful with razors, sometimes you can get cut.

      • morsec0de Says:

        “Starting from nothing,”

        I should have been more precise.

        Nothing beyond the normal presumptions we all have and can’t really control having, which you essentially cover. Making that presumption is pragmatic. If we don’t, then we would just lie in bed and do nothing.

        Anything beyond that initial presumption is too far. What you call faith.

      • Pastor Curt Says:

        Too far?? Or not far enough??? My presumptions work very well for me. They provide a cohesive, comprehensive, view of reality which provides a solid foundation upon which I build my life.

      • morsec0de Says:

        They may work well for you. But they don’t coincide with determinable reality.

        Which is fine, if your concern is feeling good about your views as opposed to being concerned that the actual evidence backs it up.

      • Pastor Curt Says:

        “Determinable reality” and “actual evidence” as you use them, refer to aspects of the correspondence theory of truth. The correspondence theory works very well, but is limited to the material realm.

        There are other ways of determining truth.

        The pragmatic theory basically says that something is true if believing that it is true works for you.

        The cohesive theory basically says that something is true if the collective statements are cohesive.

        Cognitive relativism basically says that what a group of people believe to be true is true for them. (This position supports my view, but I personally do not adhere to this approach to truth.)

        You limit yourself to the material realm, which, although accepted as real, cannot be proven to be real anymore than the existence of God. It is a metaphysical assumption. You and I both have faith, we simply place our faith in different things. (It is a form of intuitive knowledge.) You, in your conclusion that the material realm is the only reality: for myself, I believe that the material realm is real, but I also believe that reality is not limited to that realm.

        Thank you for maintaining an interesting, and civil exchange.

  3. LisaB Says:

    “You have to be careful with razors, sometimes you can get cut.”

    Why do I get the feeling you’ve been waiting for an opportunity to be able to use that phrase in a context such as this?

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